Why Gen 5 When You Can Gen 4? - Page 2 - Kawasaki ZX-10R.net
 15Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #11 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 10:37 AM
tdh
GP Rider
 
tdh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,510
Posting Frequency
 
Q: "Why Gen 5 When You Can Gen 4?"
A: Transmission

.
tdh is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 11:54 AM
The Pace
 
scout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: watsonville, ca
Posts: 6,456
Posting Frequency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdh View Post
Q: "Why Gen 5 When You Can Gen 4?"
A: Transmission
Develop this, please.
scout is offline  
post #13 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 12:36 PM
Street Rider
 
IMSTuner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 55
Posting Frequency
 
Garage
I was debating on a 2011 with 1900 miles or a new 2016 KRT non-abs. The lighter engine components, brakes, suspension and electronics sold me.
IMSTuner is offline  
 
post #14 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 01:49 PM Thread Starter
Track Day Rider
 
Krankasaki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Airbox
Posts: 111
Posting Frequency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdh View Post
Q: "Why Gen 5 When You Can Gen 4?"
A: Transmission
Quote:
Originally Posted by scout View Post
Develop this, please.
Yes please elaborate, would like to know more.
Krankasaki is offline  
post #15 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 02:28 PM
Track Day Rider
 
Carlos76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 236
Posting Frequency
 
Much lighter crank makes shifts less jerky.
All gears are evenly spaced in Gen5.
Gen4 has gears much more "close together" (2...6) and big gap between 1 and 2.
Krankasaki likes this.

Gen4 race: high spec.
Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2013: stock.
Kawasaki KX450F 2016: love it.
Carlos76 is offline  
post #16 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 03:58 PM
GP Star
 
ZX10RArcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Sometimes AZ, Sometimes MN
Posts: 2,749
Posting Frequency
   
I have both, race the gen 4 and track day the gen 5 but will likely start racing the gen 5 next round at the end of July.

For the record, 2011 I've had since the dealer hold was lifted back in 2011. 2016, I've had since February 2016; so both bikes pretty much as soon as they were available.
Money spent on the gen 4 thus far: Lost count at $13,500
Money spent on the gen 5 thus far: ~$3000

The bikes characteristics are drastic enough that I warrant having both. Hence why every time I try and sell my 4th gen, I always pull back the ad after taking it out for a session or on the street if I have the street plastics on it. Then I ride the 5th gen and am totally impressed all over again and kind of go wow, this is how far we've come.

The gen 5 is better out the gate then a gen 4; no ifs and or buts. The Gen 4 takes quite a bit in the suspension, braking and power department to put it on par with the gen 5 out the crate. The gen 4 weighs slightly less, but after you pull the ABS, race battery, pull emissions crap, KLEEN system, etc they are essentially the same. Even in the power department, unless you've done headwork on the gen 4, you'll still be down about 10HP compared to the gen 5. Unless you've done custom con-rods, pistons and knife edged the crank on the gen 4 it will rev slower than the gen 5.

Electronics on the gen 5 blow the 4th gen away. The electronics on the 4th gen were good for their time what they were up against. But now that nearly everyone has gone to a dedicated IMU, there is no comparison for actual bike situational awareness being calculated live and in real time as opposed to reactionary, simple software algorithms based on mechanical feedback from the motor, trans, wheels and rider input. The tuning options we have with ETVs compared to cable based throttle is huge especially with logging systems where we can log the actual ETV position in relation to the throttle give the gen 5 a nod over the gen 4. Quickshifter is a moot point for most. But the ability to have the auto blip downshift on the 5th gen is a relatively huge advantage as that 5-10% of mental capability you afford to making your approach to a corner to blipping throttle and rev matching you can essentially reallocate elsewhere, perhaps to your braking points. It's one less thing to worry about. More TC modes is an advantage as well. Launch control, like the QS again is moot as most people will put the woolich racing launch control in on the gen 4 if they need it.

I love both my 11 and 16 model but in terms of all around performance (brakes, suspension, motor) the 16 wins. But again, where I have both bikes currently set, I do notice a large enough gap between the two to warrant both. Maybe that will change more once I dig deeper into the 5th gen and that gap will grow and it will really start to outshine the gen 4? Don't know. But when it comes down to it, the best analogy I can give describing the differences between the two bikes is this... you're trying to remove a Phillips head screw from a pair of glasses and you have two different screwdrivers available to you; a precision jewelers screw driver and a typical screw driver that is slightly over-sized but bites just enough on the head. Yeah, the slightly over-sized screw driver will get the screw out, but the precision/jewelers screw driver will do it faster, more efficiently with less energy spent by you and less fatigue absorbed by your wrist all along with less damage to the screw itself.

ME Motorsports, Inc. Exclusive North American Distributor of Woolich Racing products. Official MotoGyro Vision , Zeitronix, Brock's Performance, Core Moto and MWR filtration products vendor.
For a special ZX-10R.net discount on Woolich Racing products, please private message me!

|| Facebook || Website || 701.212.1130 || NorthAmerica@WoolichRacing.com ||
ZX10RArcher is offline  
post #17 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 04:05 PM
Street Rider
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 94
Posting Frequency
 
I had a Gen4 and now Gen5 and the difference is unbelievable. Engine is stronger mid and high rpm. Transmission gearing is much better along with suspension and brakes. Gen5 is a couple pounds heavier but it rides like it's lighter. A couple of weeks ago I had my first trackday on the Gen5, wow much easier to ride hard and fast on the track. Gen5 is worth every penny and then some. My biggest grip is the lap button is better on the Gen4.
cwrzx is offline  
post #18 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 06:10 PM Thread Starter
Track Day Rider
 
Krankasaki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Airbox
Posts: 111
Posting Frequency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZX10RArcher View Post
I have both, race the gen 4 and track day the gen 5 but will likely start racing the gen 5 next round at the end of July.

For the record, 2011 I've had since the dealer hold was lifted back in 2011. 2016, I've had since February 2016; so both bikes pretty much as soon as they were available.
Money spent on the gen 4 thus far: Lost count at $13,500
Money spent on the gen 5 thus far: ~$3000

The bikes characteristics are drastic enough that I warrant having both. Hence why every time I try and sell my 4th gen, I always pull back the ad after taking it out for a session or on the street if I have the street plastics on it. Then I ride the 5th gen and am totally impressed all over again and kind of go wow, this is how far we've come.

The gen 5 is better out the gate then a gen 4; no ifs and or buts. The Gen 4 takes quite a bit in the suspension, braking and power department to put it on par with the gen 5 out the crate. The gen 4 weighs slightly less, but after you pull the ABS, race battery, pull emissions crap, KLEEN system, etc they are essentially the same. Even in the power department, unless you've done headwork on the gen 4, you'll still be down about 10HP compared to the gen 5. Unless you've done custom con-rods, pistons and knife edged the crank on the gen 4 it will rev slower than the gen 5.

Electronics on the gen 5 blow the 4th gen away. The electronics on the 4th gen were good for their time what they were up against. But now that nearly everyone has gone to a dedicated IMU, there is no comparison for actual bike situational awareness being calculated live and in real time as opposed to reactionary, simple software algorithms based on mechanical feedback from the motor, trans, wheels and rider input. The tuning options we have with ETVs compared to cable based throttle is huge especially with logging systems where we can log the actual ETV position in relation to the throttle give the gen 5 a nod over the gen 4. Quickshifter is a moot point for most. But the ability to have the auto blip downshift on the 5th gen is a relatively huge advantage as that 5-10% of mental capability you afford to making your approach to a corner to blipping throttle and rev matching you can essentially reallocate elsewhere, perhaps to your braking points. It's one less thing to worry about. More TC modes is an advantage as well. Launch control, like the QS again is moot as most people will put the woolich racing launch control in on the gen 4 if they need it.

I love both my 11 and 16 model but in terms of all around performance (brakes, suspension, motor) the 16 wins. But again, where I have both bikes currently set, I do notice a large enough gap between the two to warrant both. Maybe that will change more once I dig deeper into the 5th gen and that gap will grow and it will really start to outshine the gen 4? Don't know. But when it comes down to it, the best analogy I can give describing the differences between the two bikes is this... you're trying to remove a Phillips head screw from a pair of glasses and you have two different screwdrivers available to you; a precision jewelers screw driver and a typical screw driver that is slightly over-sized but bites just enough on the head. Yeah, the slightly over-sized screw driver will get the screw out, but the precision/jewelers screw driver will do it faster, more efficiently with less energy spent by you and less fatigue absorbed by your wrist all along with less damage to the screw itself.
This right here is phenomenal feedback and is exactly what I was looking for, thanks a bunch for writing this up, appreciate it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cwrzx View Post
I had a Gen4 and now Gen5 and the difference is unbelievable. Engine is stronger mid and high rpm. Transmission gearing is much better along with suspension and brakes. Gen5 is a couple pounds heavier but it rides like it's lighter. A couple of weeks ago I had my first trackday on the Gen5, wow much easier to ride hard and fast on the track. Gen5 is worth every penny and then some. My biggest grip is the lap button is better on the Gen4.
Thanks for the feedback.
Krankasaki is offline  
post #19 of 20 Old 06-23-2017, 07:23 PM
tdh
GP Rider
 
tdh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,510
Posting Frequency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krankasaki View Post
Yes please elaborate, would like to know more.
To use Guy Martin's terminology it's a box full of neutrals.
Kllongbrake likes this.

.
tdh is offline  
post #20 of 20 Old 06-26-2017, 06:34 AM
Track Day Rider
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 147
Posting Frequency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdh View Post
To use Guy Martin's terminology it's a box full of neutrals.
Can't argue with that. I find more neutrals between 3-4 and 4-5 than i do where it's supposed to be. Then again I can't compare the gen 4 box to the gen 5 as I've only ridden a gen 5 once.
Kllongbrake is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Kawasaki ZX-10R.net forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome