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post #1 of 22 Old 11-07-2017, 03:19 PM Thread Starter
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semi active suspension for 2018

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Sweeeet! I wonder if this is trickle down tech from WSBK?

Alternatively, is it meant solely to increase sales and has no benefit on track over a non-electronic suspension?

Regardless, I was thinking of a new bike for 2019 and this might be it.

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Interesting. Guess I wasn't too far off with my KECS theory all that time ago:
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Sweeeet! I wonder if this is trickle down tech from WSBK?

Alternatively, is it meant solely to increase sales and has no benefit on track over a non-electronic suspension?

Regardless, I was thinking of a new bike for 2019 and this might be it.
Negative. No ECS in WSBK or MotoGP. They have linear potentiometers on the forks and shock to monitor suspension travel for tuning and data acquistion but it is not a feedback system where it is adjusting live on the track. Even most of the fast guys at track days or regional racing will pull the semi-active stuff in favor of the good old bits and pieces that you manually adjust.

The only real benefit of an active suspension is for the guys that go from the street right to the track for the weekend and then back to the street come Monday. You don't have to mess with a whole shit ton of settings before you leave for the track and when you get back home. Provided your suspension is set for your weight you can pretty much just cut loose on the track and have the suspension tighten up and then when you're back on the street relaxing it loosens up a bit.
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Interesting. Guess I wasn't too far off with my KECS theory all that time ago:
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Negative. No ECS in WSBK or MotoGP. They have linear potentiometers on the forks and shock to monitor suspension travel for tuning and data acquistion but it is not a feedback system where it is adjusting live on the track. Even most of the fast guys at track days or regional racing will pull the semi-active stuff in favor of the good old bits and pieces that you manually adjust.

The only real benefit of an active suspension is for the guys that go from the street right to the track for the weekend and then back to the street come Monday. You don't have to mess with a whole shit ton of settings before you leave for the track and when you get back home. Provided your suspension is set for your weight you can pretty much just cut loose on the track and have the suspension tighten up and then when you're back on the street relaxing it loosens up a bit.

Just complicating a good thing.... a dual purpose bike I see the reasoning, but a sport bike no..
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...my thoughts from the SE thread...

Meh, looks wise its not doing much for me but im pretty interested KECS stuff. Guess it was just a matter of time. Anyone else doing this? I'd think BMW woulda been all over it already. I still like to shift up and down for myself but it might be cool to have a suspension that could adjust itself on the fly. Would be even cooler if down the road it could be developed to have different suspension maps of your liking banked somewhere and the ability to change suspension maps on the fly. Then maybe one could store all fuel and suspension maps in one place? Shit, one day motorcycles will be 185mph computers, already are i guess.

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Honestly electronic suspension isn't there yet, from any manufacture. I'm good friends with the North American Race Engineer for BMW and we have COUNTLESS talks about this stuff and he will even say if you go on the track, rip out the electronic suspension and put in conventional aftermarket suspension. The electronics can't keep up.

Also something to think about. On the BMW if you lose power (electrical or motor) while riding the suspension locks up and will NOT move. This can cause some major issues while trying to stop the bike. I'm curious if the Kawi will do the same.
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Also something to think about. On the BMW if you lose power (electrical or motor) while riding the suspension locks up and will NOT move. This can cause some major issues while trying to stop the bike. I'm curious if the Kawi will do the same.
That doesn't sound fun at all lol
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That doesn't sound fun at all lol
I believe the term you're looking for is "no bueno"
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Just had a call with a friend, he had the 2011 multistrada ohlins electronic... he is a very very fast rider....
he also owns a zx10r gen4 and now a gen5.

he tells me that the old ohlins you preadjusted electronically and the bike just stayed there and It was very nice at hi speeds.

The new multistrada 2016, he tells me the bike mid corner starts to act and move around and change feelings...
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I don't care how fast the system reacts to changes if the damping rates are incorrect to begin with, as they always are, then all you are getting is another wrong setting chosen for you by the Control Unit. Much of that leads to inconsistency in the way the bike reacts. For that reason alone I cannot recall a single club racer I have met let alone a Pro racer using any type of OEM active suspension components.
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