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Change gearing and be done with it. We all do it anyway.
I'm concerned about losing top-end. Theoretically, swapping front for 16T will reduce top end from something like 306 to some 286.
Theoretically speaking if your into the top end stuff then don't bother with a 16t.
FYI after installing my 16t i managed a highly optimistic / indicated 186mph and still gaining slowly.

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I won't say that I'm into top-end stuff, but I often ride for 30km - 60km at anything from 220 to 280km/h. Changing to a 16T would up the rpm's and fuel consumption! Maybe I should reserve the 16T for track days only!

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The Yamaha has the shortest stroke in the 1000 class. Do the maths and it has to do a higher engine speed to do the same amount of work. It always has to be running at higher speed compared to the Gixxer, ZX10 and the CBR. Higher engine speeds means higher wear.

Give me a ZX10R you can drop the clutch at any rpm and hit the throttle and it goes. On the ZX10R you can open the throttle at any speed any gear and go. That is one thing I am sure the R1 can not do. Rev it like a 600 yeah it can go fast but is it better I don't think so.
Yes it can. I tried it, and it pulls as hard as the zx. Down low and up the top. With turbine like smoothness and superior stability.

I don't think it will make much difference to wear if you look after it, make sure that it is nice and warm, and has good oil in it and change it often. How long are you going to keep your bike anyway? 10 years? Not many people bought the zx to keep it for the long haul. This is not a Gold Wing we are talking about. People buying this type of bike do so because they want the latest and greatest. They are not going to own them for very long. They are going to change them for a new one, that will be by that stage revving higher, will have more horse power, and therefore will be faster. Even yours revs higher than any big bore Kawasaki ever did before it.
Put the R1 and 10r in 4th gear (just picking this gear because it will require some power down low to get the bike moving at a lower RPM) at about 40-50 mph and nail the throttle on both. The 10 will leave teh R1 no problem because the R1 does not have the down low power or torque that the Kawi produces. Buddies and I have done this, same outcome everytime [smilie=1:
I have to disagree with you monti. We've done a couple of roll-on tests, and I've ridden an R1. It can't keep up with the other three bikes from say 4K rolls!

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Both bikes have engines that rev quicker or slower. The R1 has a short stroke which makes the engine rev QUICKER, The ZX has a slower revving engine. Now listen I'm not talking about actualy RPM's but the speed at which the engine operates and spools up. This is another advanteg the ZX has on its side due to its lower revving engine, and being able to start making power lower than the R1. Also this aids in the close ratio gearbox, it requires less effort to keep the bike in the power. The R1 would require 2 downshift to get the bike back up into its operting speed as to the ZX, because the R1 needs to rev higher in passing and etc. I hope this made some sense.
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Change gearing and be done with it. We all do it anyway.
I'm concerned about losing top-end. Theoretically, swapping front for 16T will reduce top end from something like 306 to some 286.
Theoretically speaking if your into the top end stuff then don't bother with a 16t.
FYI after installing my 16t i managed a highly optimistic / indicated 186mph and still gaining slowly.

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I won't say that I'm into top-end stuff, but I often ride for 30km - 60km at anything from 220 to 280km/h. Changing to a 16T would up the rpm's and fuel consumption! Maybe I should reserve the 16T for track days only!
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The Yamaha has the shortest stroke in the 1000 class. Do the maths and it has to do a higher engine speed to do the same amount of work. It always has to be running at higher speed compared to the Gixxer, ZX10 and the CBR. Higher engine speeds means higher wear.

Give me a ZX10R you can drop the clutch at any rpm and hit the throttle and it goes. On the ZX10R you can open the throttle at any speed any gear and go. That is one thing I am sure the R1 can not do. Rev it like a 600 yeah it can go fast but is it better I don't think so.
Yes it can. I tried it, and it pulls as hard as the zx. Down low and up the top. With turbine like smoothness and superior stability.

I don't think it will make much difference to wear if you look after it, make sure that it is nice and warm, and has good oil in it and change it often. How long are you going to keep your bike anyway? 10 years? Not many people bought the zx to keep it for the long haul. This is not a Gold Wing we are talking about. People buying this type of bike do so because they want the latest and greatest. They are not going to own them for very long. They are going to change them for a new one, that will be by that stage revving higher, will have more horse power, and therefore will be faster. Even yours revs higher than any big bore Kawasaki ever did before it.
Put the R1 and 10r in 4th gear (just picking this gear because it will require some power down low to get the bike moving at a lower RPM) at about 40-50 mph and nail the throttle on both. The 10 will leave teh R1 no problem because the R1 does not have the down low power or torque that the Kawi produces. Buddies and I have done this, same outcome everytime [smilie=1:
I have to disagree with you monti. We've done a couple of roll-on tests, and I've ridden an R1. It can't keep up with the other three bikes from say 4K rolls!
Well I see you agree with me Vane [smilie=o:

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The Yamaha has the shortest stroke in the 1000 class. Do the maths and it has to do a higher engine speed to do the same amount of work. It always has to be running at higher speed compared to the Gixxer, ZX10 and the CBR. Higher engine speeds means higher wear.

Give me a ZX10R you can drop the clutch at any rpm and hit the throttle and it goes. On the ZX10R you can open the throttle at any speed any gear and go. That is one thing I am sure the R1 can not do. Rev it like a 600 yeah it can go fast but is it better I don't think so.
Yes it can. I tried it, and it pulls as hard as the zx. Down low and up the top. With turbine like smoothness and superior stability.

I don't think it will make much difference to wear if you look after it, make sure that it is nice and warm, and has good oil in it and change it often. How long are you going to keep your bike anyway? 10 years? Not many people bought the zx to keep it for the long haul. This is not a Gold Wing we are talking about. People buying this type of bike do so because they want the latest and greatest. They are not going to own them for very long. They are going to change them for a new one, that will be by that stage revving higher, will have more horse power, and therefore will be faster. Even yours revs higher than any big bore Kawasaki ever did before it.
Put the R1 and 10r in 4th gear (just picking this gear because it will require some power down low to get the bike moving at a lower RPM) at about 40-50 mph and nail the throttle on both. The 10 will leave teh R1 no problem because the R1 does not have the down low power or torque that the Kawi produces. Buddies and I have done this, same outcome everytime [smilie=1:
I have to disagree with you monti. We've done a couple of roll-on tests, and I've ridden an R1. It can't keep up with the other three bikes from say 4K rolls!
Well I see you agree with me Vane [smilie=o:
Yeah, I speak from personal experience. It might not be absolute fact, but this is what I've seen happen.

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