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post #41 of 133 Old 06-01-2017, 06:34 AM
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Ive spoken to specialists at track days who have said the gen4 shock is junk.
Also one gave me advice of letting off the damping which destroyed the tyre and made my bike feel worse.
Everyone advises a decent rear shock which is obvious but i havnt had any spare cash to buy one as they are alot of money.
Im thinking taking the plunge soon though as i cant keep riding hard on a bike that wants to ping me off alot.
My luck will run out one day
Currently trying to find someone who can help.
Was hoping i could get enough onfo off the net to get it close on my own for time being
Understandable...Yes shocks are expensive.

Are you saving for a particular brand, as I know that Nitron make some good kit for reasonable cost.
https://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Nit...rcycles.ht ml

Might be able to get cheaper on eBay.

The one thing that stands out from the pictures you have posted in the past is that the tyre wear appears quite extreme, like there is a fault in your suspension or settings that are way way out, which suggests it's not just a case of swapping out for a better shock and job done.

I wasn't trying to belittle when I mentioned the bitsa thing and yeah it's not really the case in that you've only changed a few components, but what you have changed is significant and you are working with something Kawasaki never intended so you're like the guinea pig.

Not saying it can't work, but there are a ton of variables that are often interlinked to consider.

Before you can invest in a decent shock, I would still strongly suggest you take your bike in to someone like MCT Technics - .:: Online Home Of MCT Suspension ::.

Show them your pictures and tell them how the bike is behaving, and then get them to make an assessment.

Like I said before, the so called suspension specialists at track days, I've found to be anything but.

Hope you can get it sorted.
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being brutally honest here... you are your own worst enemy. you have the ability to tinker, fix, and make parts, and with that, you are trying to "fix" something without dropping a bunch of coin up front, by going the path of recommendation by people here, and near you, and recognized track/suspension people.

by the time you figure in the multiple stock shocks, your time building and testing links, your lost time and money from unproductive track time, from being scared of the bike, the cost of how many tires you have ruined... you could have more than paid for a good quality shock at a minimum, and probably a shock and a link, in total, and have this sorted a looooong time ago.

you wont spend the money to buy an updated aftermarket shock and link that is known to work throughout the world at ANY level but, you would throw that all away, and buy another 15000.00 usd (or more) to buy a "new" bike, and start all over with it's "problems", and needing mods to "personalize" it for your riding style.

I don't understand that. like the bike? fix it proper.

don't like the bike? off it, and buy what you think you want, and move on.

the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.... stop the insanity!

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Not meaning to offend anyone, but I'm going to present a counter opinion on the modding approach in support of what ukzx10r is doing. Tinkering, tuning and experimenting is a whole lot more engaging and interesting than buying something off the shelf and just being the next guy to do the same thing. Sure, it's motivated by trying to save money, but at the end of the day, the tinkerer will understand his toy far better than the guy who just throws money at it. There's also something to be said for the OEM+ concept that permeates the automotive tuner world but isn't entrenched as deeply in the motorcycle scene.

Sure, if you're out to be a competitive racer, operating off a limited budget probably won't grant you any success at all. However, the hobbyist isn't really about beating everybody on the track and will surely enjoy his experiences since it's about achieving improvements through careful thought vs. earning your paycheck and dumping it into an Ohlins product.

That being said, I would love an Ohlins set up just as much as the next guy but sometimes you have to feed the kids and pay for family vacations, gymnastics lessons, tuition etc.

Given the fact that I have ukzx10r's suspension plates, I may seem biased, but I really like the idea of continuing to run Showa Japanese suspension on a Japanese bike (I'm a huge OEM+ fan) and will one day revalve/respring my Gen 5 BFRC shock as opposed to buying an Ohlins. It just seemed like a better option than revalving the original Gen 4 shock or buying an Ohlins which I will never fully utilize.
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being brutally honest here... you are your own worst enemy. you have the ability to tinker, fix, and make parts, and with that, you are trying to "fix" something without dropping a bunch of coin up front, by going the path of recommendation by people here, and near you, and recognized track/suspension people.

by the time you figure in the multiple stock shocks, your time building and testing links, your lost time and money from unproductive track time, from being scared of the bike, the cost of how many tires you have ruined... you could have more than paid for a good quality shock at a minimum, and probably a shock and a link, in total, and have this sorted a looooong time ago.

you wont spend the money to buy an updated aftermarket shock and link that is known to work throughout the world at ANY level but, you would throw that all away, and buy another 15000.00 usd (or more) to buy a "new" bike, and start all over with it's "problems", and needing mods to "personalize" it for your riding style.

I don't understand that. like the bike? fix it proper.

don't like the bike? off it, and buy what you think you want, and move on.

the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.... stop the insanity!

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Blimey i feel like a school kid thats been told off.
Im not stupid. Im just poor.
Unfortunately motorbikes have to play second fiddle to things like my children. My mrs. My house and my car so i have to scrape around for spare cash for things like shocks etc.
I dont waste money on shocks etc as i always get my money back on them and i get my tyres cheap so dont waste much on them.
If i was rich id have alot less problems but as im not im on here looking for advice on what to do.
The thing is i keep hearing people say different things like its too hard. Or too soft. Or wrong swing arm angle. Im riding it wrong etc etc etc l. Even from the so called experts ive spoken to so if im ever going to fork out for a ohlins etc i would have to know for sure thats what the issue is.
I wouldnt spend 15k on a bike. Mines worth 9ish so id spend 9 to 10.
Bearing in mind old gixers and hondas pull away from me out of the corners it wouldnt be a step down at present.
As it is im getting a different spring first as this isnin my price rance. (Cheap)
If it shows improvement then id be hanging on to the bike and saving for ohlins.
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Not meaning to offend anyone, but I'm going to present a counter opinion on the modding approach in support of what ukzx10r is doing. Tinkering, tuning and experimenting is a whole lot more engaging and interesting than buying something off the shelf and just being the next guy to do the same thing. Sure, it's motivated by trying to save money, but at the end of the day, the tinkerer will understand his toy far better than the guy who just throws money at it. There's also something to be said for the OEM+ concept that permeates the automotive tuner world but isn't entrenched as deeply in the motorcycle scene.

Sure, if you're out to be a competitive racer, operating off a limited budget probably won't grant you any success at all. However, the hobbyist isn't really about beating everybody on the track and will surely enjoy his experiences since it's about achieving improvements through careful thought vs. earning your paycheck and dumping it into an Ohlins product.

That being said, I would love an Ohlins set up just as much as the next guy but sometimes you have to feed the kids and pay for family vacations, gymnastics lessons, tuition etc.

Given the fact that I have ukzx10r's suspension plates, I may seem biased, but I really like the idea of continuing to run Showa Japanese suspension on a Japanese bike (I'm a huge OEM+ fan) and will one day revalve/respring my Gen 5 BFRC shock as opposed to buying an Ohlins. It just seemed like a better option than revalving the original Gen 4 shock or buying an Ohlins which I will never fully utilize.
I agree to a point, but we are not talking about a guy that is into astronomy trying to build his own telescope and having focal point issues or a baker trying to find a better way to proof his pastries. We are talking about a significant component that allows you to safely negotiate a racetrack at a high rate of speed. If you have a failure or the part doesn't work as it is supposed to you don't just end up with some flat muffins. It can kill you not to mention the risk of taking someone else with you. I tell people all the time what you are truly buying when you purchase aftermarket suspension is a greater margin of error and a larger margin of safety.
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I agree to a point, but we are not talking about a guy that is into astronomy trying to build his own telescope and having focal point issues or a baker trying to find a better way to proof his pastries. We are talking about a significant component that allows you to safely negotiate a racetrack at a high rate of speed. If you have a failure or the part doesn't work as it is supposed to you don't just end up with some flat muffins. It can kill you not to mention the risk of taking someone else with you. I tell people all the time what you are truly buying when you purchase aftermarket suspension is a greater margin of error and a larger margin of safety.
I absolutely agree with you on the safety point LDH. It's definitely something to consider if one is riding aggressively.

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I wouldnt spend 15k on a bike. Mines worth 9ish so id spend 9 to 10.
so, you wont spend 1500 on a great shock and linkage package but, you will drop 9-10,000 to replace the bike but, you are not stupid, you are just poor? ok, I got it now.

I find it funny how people come to the internet to "ask for advice", get that advice, then argue the advice, do what they want, and not get the desired result...

then, come back to the internet and ask the same question, in a different manner, only to get the same answer as the first... and proceed not to listen to advice, and do what they want, and continue not to get their desired result, and wonder where they went wrong.

a great racer once told me... pick a school of thought on suspension (pick one suspension shop, person, after personal research ), STAY WITH IT (them), DONT DEVIATE, AND LOOK FOR ANSWERS ELSEWHERE, stay the course, do your homework, and make changes, and document the results, and discuss those results with the tuner, to get your desired result.

you can dial a wrong number and get suspension set up advice. but, if you listen to EVERYTHING SUSPENSION, AND TRY TO CHASE EACH "WHAT IF", you will be chasing your set up FOR A LOOOONG TIME.

also, you have to look in the mirror too. slow in, hammer fisted out, wears tires out (even on smaller bikes), and "shows" suspension issues, that you may not be able to overcome with clickers, springs, links, and valving.

you may need to re-learn how to enter, and exit corners. this may make you slower at first but, higher corner speed, smoother exits, will lead to better tire wear, and quicker lap times. you have to leave your ego at the door, and step outside yourself.

there is no one "magic set up". it is whatever you are comfortable with, to get your desired result.

my thought is, get with LDH, listen to him, follow his explicit instructions, and get your bike properly set up. that would be the best start. you cant lose. if it doesn't work, part the items you bought, sell the bike, buy the bmw, and start again. good luck. Ski

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Blimey i feel like a school kid thats been told off.
Because you are effectively the student that asked the teacher to explain what is going wrong and then decided that the teacher was just a "so called" teacher and that they really had nothing to offer you and continued to do what you were doing wrong to begin with.

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Im not stupid. Im just poor.
Unfortunately motorbikes have to play second fiddle to things like my children. My mrs. My house and my car so i have to scrape around for spare cash for things like shocks etc.
I dont waste money on shocks etc as i always get my money back on them and i get my tyres cheap so dont waste much on them.
If i was rich id have alot less problems but as im not im on here looking for advice on what to do.
The thing is i keep hearing people say different things like its too hard. Or too soft. Or wrong swing arm angle. Im riding it wrong etc etc etc l. Even from the so called experts ive spoken to so if im ever going to fork out for a ohlins etc i would have to know for sure thats what the issue is.
Nobody is calling you stupid but you came here for help and seem pretty unwilling to listen to consider that it may be your outside-the-box setup and potentially your riding style.

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I wouldnt spend 15k on a bike. Mines worth 9ish so id spend 9 to 10.
ok if you sell the 10r and buy a 1000rr for 10k... you still have a difference of 1k so you could pretty easily snatch a good aftermarket rear shock setup for about that if you're patient and look around

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Bearing in mind old gixers and hondas pull away from me out of the corners it wouldnt be a step down at present.
have you considered that your roll on isn't as smooth as you think it is? If you're getting pulled on out of the corner there is a lot to say about your corner speed, and throttle role on for the corner exit
https://youtu.be/20Wx4YrZ55I?t=654
https://youtu.be/20Wx4YrZ55I?t=788
https://youtu.be/20Wx4YrZ55I?t=1045

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As it is im getting a different spring first as this isnin my price rance. (Cheap)
If it shows improvement then id be hanging on to the bike and saving for ohlins.
i dont know what a metzler runs but a rear Pirelly SC2 can cost me from $200-300 and if it loses grip / usability after one session it would quite prudent for me to invest in proper suspension components rather than continuing to burning money I don't have on tires.
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have you considered that your roll on isn't as smooth as you think it is? If you're getting pulled on out of the corner there is a lot to say about your corner speed, and throttle role on for the corner exit
https://youtu.be/20Wx4YrZ55I?t=654
https://youtu.be/20Wx4YrZ55I?t=788
https://youtu.be/20Wx4YrZ55I?t=1045
Man where do I buy a speed gun?

That's a great idea.

I could get the Mrs to check my speed out of Paddock Hill bend on the next track day
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