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post #21 of 133 Old 05-30-2017, 02:59 PM Thread Starter
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I love the way the bike looks and i love how hard i can push the front so i dont really want to change my bike.
But ive been commited to zx10s for a few years until i rode a bike that was as fast with hardly any effort.
I hadnt even thought about a bike being that easy to ride hard as i just expected it to be a very physical thing to be doing whatever bike you were on.
But it has opened my eyes on the zx10s flaws.
One thing people always say is smoothness. I dont know if im the only one that thinks this but all zx10s ive ridden have been anything but smooth to ride.
I find the engines Shouty! I dont know if you catch my drift but its a bit like a switch thats either cruising or shouting out full power. There doesnt seem an inbetween.
I have changed my riding style to try compensate and other than needing to sit further forward more its not too bad considering how tall i am. Pics below.
The rear suspension has never been professionally set up for me so thats what im going to try before i decide to switch bikes.



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post #22 of 133 Old 05-30-2017, 06:29 PM
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I'm slow but i don't have issue being smooth on my Gen4. I come from a Gen1 though which is a !@#$ing lightswitch. The Gen4 is a pussycat.

You say you have issues keeping the tire down. This in my understanding points at poor/late throttle smoothness/roll on during exit.
Are you geared stock? I don't have wheelie issues in my Gen4 unless i whack it / get whiskey throttle, with the exception of some wheelie bumps and different grades. 1st gear i need to be smooth to keep the wheel down but it is definitely possible. I'm geared stock (currently, was geared like +4/5 in rear) with rear tire as far back as possible, running Kit ECU pushing 190ish HP to the wheel on pump gas.

Seriously if you're having trouble with wheelies, try turning the TC on. Stock TC1 will keep it managable, as will a smooth roll on. Your choice.
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That looks like a Gen5 to me.

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That looks like a Gen5 to me.
I'll save ukzx10r from replying on this one since I've been watching his bike's progress carefully. Let's just say that I'm a big fan!

To get to the point...ukzx10r's bike is a Gen 4 with a full Gen 5 body, lights and subframe conversion. It's also running a Gen 5 Showa BFRC Lite rear shock and his own suspension plates.
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Thank you. I thought his might have been the one with the conversion. I couldn't remember. Looks well done seeing it on the track!

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Sorry forgot to mention its a gen4 with gen5 kit.
Its extra links in chain to get longer wheelbase.
Currently running gen5 link and shock.
Lower gearing too so i can run second gear rather than 1st.
But the bike wheelies alot of the time.
Ive followed other gen4s that are pulling away from mine as mine is trying to wheelie so it could just be down to the shock.
But even with tc on its going light at the front which insettles it alot.
The s1000rr with me riding it just goes forwards with no hint of the front going light even though its putting more power down.
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Hey mate. I'm certainly no expert.... but I would bet from the posts of yours I've read that you're using a 110nM spring in that shock? Forgive me if I'm wrong.
I have a K-Tech shock and gen 5 link in my gen 4. I weigh around the 65kg mark, when I took my bike to BC performance here in Sydney (they race Oz superbike series here and do very well with Robbie Bugden) looking for a suitable spring for my shock they told me that no way would I need less than a 100nM spring and were adamant they would not suggest any lower rate for any rider on a ZX10. By the looks of your build and considering you're 6ft 4 and you're fast, then I'd say you'd have to be waaay low with your spring rate, no amount of damping is going to fix that. Like I said I am NO expert but it seems to be consistent with the issues you have.........getting your suspension sorted properly by an expert surely must be worth a shot! better value than buying a new bike......Anyway, I hope you try it because I'd be really interested to hear what happens :)
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I'll save ukzx10r from replying on this one since I've been watching his bike's progress carefully. Let's just say that I'm a big fan!

To get to the point...ukzx10r's bike is a Gen 4 with a full Gen 5 body, lights and subframe conversion. It's also running a Gen 5 Showa BFRC Lite rear shock and his own suspension plates.
So it's a bitsa bike....No wonder he's having trouble dialing it in.

That's uncharted territory and an expert should definitely be consulted.

Reminds me of when I put upside down R1 forks on my gen 1 R6 without a clue of damping rate differences, spring rate differences, hell even fork length differences.

To me it just looked good, but then I was surprised when I kept losing the front on road and track

I turned my R6 from a scalpel into a slug.

Thankfully I'm a little less stupid now
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Hey mate. I'm certainly no expert.... but I would bet from the posts of yours I've read that you're using a 110nM spring in that shock? Forgive me if I'm wrong.
I have a K-Tech shock and gen 5 link in my gen 4. I weigh around the 65kg mark, when I took my bike to BC performance here in Sydney (they race Oz superbike series here and do very well with Robbie Bugden) looking for a suitable spring for my shock they told me that no way would I need less than a 100nM spring and were adamant they would not suggest any lower rate for any rider on a ZX10. By the looks of your build and considering you're 6ft 4 and you're fast, then I'd say you'd have to be waaay low with your spring rate, no amount of damping is going to fix that. Like I said I am NO expert but it seems to be consistent with the issues you have.........getting your suspension sorted properly by an expert surely must be worth a shot! better value than buying a new bike......Anyway, I hope you try it because I'd be really interested to hear what happens :)
Thanks for your input.
I have tried a local suspension specialist and thet are fully booked for 3 months!.
Seems its going to be hard to get seen this time of year.
I am convinced my spring is too soft and even though the gen4 shock is supposed to be harder than a gen5 it doesnt feel much more at all so i will start by ordering a stronger spring for my mupo shock and go from there untill i can get it properly set up.
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So it's a bitsa bike....No wonder he's having trouble dialing it in.

That's uncharted territory and an expert should definitely be consulted.

Reminds me of when I put upside down R1 forks on my gen 1 R6 without a clue of damping rate differences, spring rate differences, hell even fork length differences.

To me it just looked good, but then I was surprised when I kept losing the front on road and track

I turned my R6 from a scalpel into a slug.

Thankfully I'm a little less stupid now
Its not a bitsa bike.
Its a gen4 with a rear end spec almost identical to gen5.
For me its always handled bad at the rear even when standard.
So i just need to work out what spring rate i need for my weight.
If anyone wants to add their weight and spring rate to give me an idea that would be very helpful
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