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post #11 of 43 Old 10-01-2017, 11:37 PM
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Heres a 1:59 lap which im baffled by.

It was last flying lap of the session and i was out of puff and suffering with terrible brake fade.

I was so slow into turn 2 coz horrible fade into 1 but

i guess i just hit all my apexs and it added up to a good lap

https://youtu.be/v7UDqi3eDLE

Just from having a quick look at the video u really need a couple more teeth on that rear sprocket or use a lower gear in a couple of the corners. I can see why you'd be getting romped on corner exit, also I watched a couple other of your videos and you seem to short shift a lot. Do u have specific reason for that?


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Finally got my shit together and did a trackday at snetterton in the uk.
First time on slicks and first time out with mupo shock.
When i got a clear track i could do aprox 1:59 laps which is good enough to qualify for british superstock 1000s.
Although im very happy with the times im also frustrated with the zx10r as i feel i could easily improve the times but the bike holds me back.
Firstly the slicks are higher profile which effects the gearing and even though im -1 and +2 at the mo its not enough for this track with this profile tyre.
Because the zx10r is badly down on grunt i was loosing time out of slower corners over every other modern 1000.
You need a long straight to recover time lost on corner exit which is so frustrating.
I also had brake fade issues which made no sense as the discs and pads are identical to my other set on my other wheels that never fade.
Just wanted to talk about it with you lot as my mrs doesnt understand what im going on about lol
My gen 4 still pulls gen 5's and just about any other bike on the track, barring they're a better rider and just carry more speed all around. Good tune, well setup bike and kit ecu, race gas, fresh stock motor, full exhaust.

Sorry mate, but its not the bike. It may be the setup, and that could certainly be improved to help you, but it just doesn't sound like you're considering how much a rider mod would help you with your issues.

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Lol. You make me laugh.
13 seconds off a full blown superbike record on a standard engined road bike is ok for me especially at snetterton.
Im happy with that.
Bikes are overrated.
Superstock bike is 2s slower than supebike and you bike not more than 2s slower than dialed superstock.
Training makes lap time to come down much more. Young riders always need instructor training because they are dumb, old riders are lazy to figure it out and have many bad habits.
Like with doctors there are good and bad instructors out there.

Dial gearing to toutch limiter in 6th, gives you much more revs in 2nd. Front 15t sprocket to maintain wheelbase, when stock chain length.
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my humble opinion is that you need to enter the corners with the proper gear (very important) and gear it properly....

I was like 20 sec of track record, then the guys (one of the slow guys) gave me the gears... I was only -1 on the front on a small track, boom now Im 15 or 12 sec.
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If you would listen to people when you ask for advice, rather than just insist that you're right and they're wrong (why ask for advice in the first place, unless of course what you really want is confirmation/pity party), and getting super salty when you get shut down, you would probably be as fast as you think you are.

I've had my ego checked many times by much faster and more experienced riders. One of my coaches pulled me off the track once to tell me my line was shit and that i wasn't smooth. I was miffed for the whole day, but the next day we hit the grind together and i made massive improvements.

Humble pie my friend, it doesn't taste good sometimes, but it will never kill you and will always make you a better if you're willing to eat it.
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If you would listen to people when you ask for advice, rather than just insist that you're right and they're wrong (why ask for advice in the first place, unless of course what you really want is confirmation/pity party), and getting super salty when you get shut down, you would probably be as fast as you think you are.

I've had my ego checked many times by much faster and more experienced riders. One of my coaches pulled me off the track once to tell me my line was shit and that i wasn't smooth. I was miffed for the whole day, but the next day we hit the grind together and i made massive improvements.

Humble pie my friend, it doesn't taste good sometimes, but it will never kill you and will always make you a better if you're willing to eat it.

I don't get it either... Riders have different skill sets and I don't know anyone that has stopped learning even at the top level of riders, but I know plenty of people that have plateaued in their ability. I'm one of them. I'm slower now than I was 10 years ago and I have zero issues with that. I'm older and fatter, it's just the way things are. I focus on bike set-up and being comfortable. My entire premise for Track Riding is being able to put in a decent lap time while never exceeding my total comfort zone which to me feels like about 80%. Every thing I do on the the bike or with the bike is for that purpose. I don't want to scare myself going into and out of every turn. I want a nice easy pace that leaves me lots of room for error and that is what I do. What I don't do is complain about faster riders or the occasional bad pass. Shit I have literally been bumped right off the track by a #1 plate holder and I thought it was awesome. He was so much faster than I am that I couldn't even get a tow from him... His engine output, bike set-up or natural talent is all irrelevant he is just in a different league from me and always will be. I have no illusions of ever being fast enough to win even club races against expert riders let alone the Pro Riders.

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