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2016 zx10r/ dyno woolich hardware

Thought i would post a thread and discussion where i can pick the brain of those who self tune and help me dial in. Archer has been helping me a shhiiitttt ton. I messes up by not getting a baseline pull for my bike i kinda went off what everyone else has been running for a baseline. My dyno pull netted 179whp one pull amd 180whp another pull. My mods are
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After speaking with archer i did make my rev limit lil to high but i pulled all the way to my redline. May be my elevation im almost 4.1k above sea level. My questions for those self tuning how big of adjustments are you guys making meaning are you adjusting in increments of 2,5,10 which areas do you focus on more?
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The fall off is at 14.2k i can get the exact number if you guys want. The place i took my bike to was truly unaware of woolich and advised i get a power commander...i dont see the point in a pcv unless im overlooking something pcv can do that woolich cant.
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I don't think the tuner rung it out the full RPM range. Why?

Assuming the bike made peak power at 13,100 RPMs where they normally do unless the motor has been touched internally... and you're running stock gearing...
In gear 3, max power would be observed at around 131.5MPH
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130MPH is right where your dyno end but yet there isn't the typical curve climbing to a peak then the rapid drop

If it were done in gear 4, max power would be observed at around 148.5 MPH
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If that is the case, then 130MPH puts you at roughly 11,000-11,100 RPMs; 2000 RPMs before where you should be making peak power. This fits exactly what you see on the chart...

Want to know the difference between what 13,100 RPMs and 11,100 RPMs was on my bike?
13,100 RPMs = 192.83
11,100 RPMs = 175.40
~17HP

If the guy running the dyno had it in 4th gear and didn't run out the rev range to redline, as evidence points to being the case, you've got a lot of extra power left in those last 2000 RPMs. Something is odd there.

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Tell him to send you the file of your dyno runs. He should be able to email it to you.

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Did he hook up the tach pickup in the tail in order to get a tach signal? Or did he just put it on the bike and grip it and rip it?

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Did he hook up the tach pickup in the tail in order to get a tach signal? Or did he just put it on the bike and grip it and rip it?
Put it on the bike and rip it. Gearing is 16t front 40 rear the fall off off is where he hit the rev limiter and let off the first pull was 3rd Last 2 were 4th. Starting to think because they couldnt get a tune out me they just went through motions. Ill swing by tomorrow for the other graph
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How can you value of one map to another mode. Meaning right now on F mode im running a mapshare file. on my M mode i want to put the values of my krt race ecu file.
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I took your chart and the gear based charts and imported it into Photoshop so I could measure things out.

So looking at your dyno. Peak power is made right at or around 122 MPH.
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You mentioned you're running 16/40 gearing. Depending on what gear the dyno operator ran the bike in, that will effect things considerably. We'll look at both 3rd and 4th.


In 3rd gear at max power at 13100 RPMs that will put your wheel speed at or around 120.8 MPH.
In 3rd gear at max RPMs, which you said to be 14,200-14,300 RPMs, the wheel speed would be around 130 MPH
Now at 122.8125 MPH that would put your RPMs close to 13,500 RPMs so we should see your power hit a peak and then come back down. We don't see that on your chart.
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In 4th gear at max power at 13100 RPMs that will put your wheel speed at or around 136.4 MPH.
In 4th gear at max RPMs, which you said to be 14,200-14,300 RPMs, the wheel speed would be around 145 MPH
Now at 122.8125 MPH that would put your RPMs close to 11,300 RPMS so we should not see your power peak at all, it should appear to run to the end since the run was cut off at around 122 MPH. We do see that on your chart.
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So either the dyno operator is incompetent and not running the bike out or he is doing something shady.

If the bike was ran in 3rd gear all the way to redline at 14,200-14,300 we will see a peak at around 13,100 RPMs followed by a drop off. The power just wouldn't stop like it does on your chart. For a stock motor with no head changes, no after market cams or degreeing of the cams you'll see power peak at 13,100; no amount of tuning is going to make power climb climb climb and then shut off. Additionally if you look at the AFR, you can see it spike right after it hits 180 HP signifying he got off the throttle.

If the bike was ran in 4th gear but cut off short, we will see power climb and climb and climb and then stop right there with no drop.
If the bike was ran in 4th gear out to redline, we'd see a higher speed recorded along with a peak then power drop.

It looks like he ran the bike in 4th gear and stopped the run about 2000 RPMs short of what he should've.

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Damn i should try another shop with a dyno idk how to explain how he ran it
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