Last years GSX-R1000 weighed 405 with all fluids and NO gasoline. Kawasaki has said that the"10" is 16 pounds lighter than the Gixxer. Hmmm 389. Very cool. I also heard from someone who was at the dealer show and he was told that the "dry weight" of the "10" was 5 pounds more than the ZX-6R. Kawasaki lists the dry weight on the "6" as 355. According to everything I read, Kawasaki was pretty close on the claimed weights of the "6". Unlike Honda.. Yamaha has said the 2004 R1 is 3 pounds lighter than the 2003. That would mean their numbers should be 411 without gas and 379 dry based on last years numbers. The Gixxer was 405 and 370 last year and shouldn't change. As for Honda.. The 2003 Honda 600RR was 409 wet with no gas and I feel sure the 2004 CBR1000 will be at least that heavy. Of course, all of this is just speculation at this time. But I wonder, can Kawasaki finally shake the "Kawasaki Heavy Industries" put down? 8)

who cares :?: the Japanese have a very funny way of getting a dry weight. Dry is without petrol, engine oil, fork oil, battery acid, air in the tyres. According to kawasaki my '99 ZX6R should have a dry weight of 176 kilograms (sorry but I am only used to the metric system :wink: ). Tested it weighed 210 kg ready to ride. According to Aprilia my '02 MilleR should have dry weight of 186 kg, Tested it weighed 210 kg ready to ride. Both have 18 liter petrol tanks. You work out the maths :wink: But I think people put way to much emphasis on weight. At Assen in a comparision test the '02 MilleR lapped quicker than a '02 R1. It weighed less and made more power than the Priller. It is all about balance, feedback.

Who cares??? :? You should. I am not concerned with the published dry weight of the manufacturers. I guess my subltle jabs at Honda and their wild underestimates of weight didn't tip you off to that. Published "dry weight" is ususally B.S. Sorry but I don't know the metric equivilent of B.S. The more the weight, the more horsepower is required to accelerate. The more the weight, the more brakes are taxed. The more the weight, the more difficult the bike is to flick from side to side throught chicanes. I know about the other factors of balance, geometry, power charcteristics, etc. that allow a motorcycle to get around a track quickly. One of my riding companions has a Ducati Bostrom replica. I currently ride an R1 w/Akrapovic Evo system, Ivan's jet kit, and an Ohlins rear shock. In a drag race, I can easily handle the Duc. However, many times we have exited turns beside each other and he will usually pull me. I wonder how that could happen? :wink: Light weight is one of the most difficult features for an average rider to buy. :) I guess if you do wheelies weight doesn't matter. :roll:

da new 600rr :roll: is a fat pig.. :lol: ya honda lies,,,,,,,,,,,,, A LOT. 8) whilst,,,, yammie,, tells dere big lies bout horsepower. so it all,,,, evens out.... :lol: :lol:

sex lies and dry weight. The Japanese Manfactures all use a specific method of measuring "Dry Weight" it involves removal of some items which we might consider essential for the normal running of the motorcycle. It is more than than oil and water. In a Japanese Dry Weight comparison the NINJA ZX-10R will weigh less than the Suzuki Gixxer. Between the Honda, Yamaha and Kawasaki it will take the first serious comparison to detect the fibbers. Honda MotoGP inspired CBR600RR is rated at 168 kg, can their CBR1000RR be lighter? I would sack the 600 designer if one year later a CBR1000 is lighter. Yamaha claim 172 kg for the 04 R1 and the ZX10R is rumoured to be less, so can the Honda be less than the CBR600RR? I will guess the ZX10R @ 169.9 kg, Suzuki will still claim 168 kg, R1 @ 172 kg, Honda the wild card with an impossible to believe rumored 165 Kg as I started sex lies and Dry Weight

However, many times we have exited turns beside each other and he will usually pull me. I wonder how that could happen? :wink: Light weight is one of the most difficult features for an average rider to buy. :) I guess if you do wheelies weight doesn't matter. :roll: don't know what you're trying to prove here? According to German mag PS a fully fuelled Bostrom rep weighs 215 kg, a standard R1 200 kg. Yours is probably some 5 kg lighter so it is 20 kg lighter than your friends Bostrom rep and still he can easily keep up with you 8) I rest my case :wink:

jump or intial accelleration out of corners is more related to an engine in the best part of their torque curve rather than dry weight.

On my friends Bostrom Rep, I forgot to mention that he had swapped the stock cans for the 54(?) mm Termignoni (sp?) carbon exhaust system, but I don't think it was a significant weight savings. Having said that, on non-certified scales, we weighed both bikes at the same day, same time, same method and the Duc was 2.5 kg. lighter than the R1. I can't acount for the difference between that and the German magazine. I think our method was accurate for a comparison. I know that the non-Bostrom rep models are supposed to be about 14 kg. heavier since they do not have the trick bits that the Bostrom has. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that the Bostrom's carbon body panels will save 14 kg. over stock panels. The point I was trying to make is that weight matters but I was also reinforcing your point that geometry, power delivery, lighter wheels, etc. are also factors in determining lap times. All things being equal, lighter is always better. Unless you have an Aprilia Cube. They seem to need more weight.