: Head shake
GARSZX10R 12-05-2004, 11:33 AM I know this is probably old news but, is anyone else having issues with head shake? is it my tire (stock) ?? If I go over 110-120 I end up having to let out of it.
Also, going less than 30 miles an hours if I let go of the handlebars it shakes as well....wierd. I have about 5000 miles on the stock tire. Could it be this or something else??
Austin10RPowers 12-05-2004, 11:37 AM Could be several things....
Tire with wear has out of balance problem...
If you have the stock tires and over 2k miles you may have irregular wear...
Poop can the 218's and get Diablo's or Pilot Powers and your problem will go away..
if not you must have a warped wheel or something loose...
my .02
miykl 12-05-2004, 11:49 AM ...hmmmmmm, that reminds me. I haven't tested the hands free slow down since I mounted the PP's. Wonder if it's cured.
As for the high speed head shake. Look into that. ..out of balance, bad tire, bent rim... could be any number of things. none good. Mine is dead stabile through the limiter in 6th.
stunnerific_harry 12-05-2004, 12:20 PM steering damper, you should get one or you can rebalance your tire
Big Daddy 12-05-2004, 02:06 PM and lastly the notorious steering head bearings may require some maintenance.
BD
NATOR 12-05-2004, 02:45 PM Get rid of that 218. You'll love yourself more for it.
stunnerific_harry 12-05-2004, 03:00 PM give me your bike and your feel better about yourself
GoFaster 12-05-2004, 03:23 PM The low-speed hands-off nuisance shake is due to the front tire. Replacing it with some other type/brand of tire will solve this problem.
Headshake at constant higher speed in a straight line on smooth pavement should not occur, and is an indication that something is wrong. My experience has been that improper wheel balance usually starts making itself felt around 110 - 130 km/h and gets progressively worse from there up. Out-of-round or unevenly worn tires will also cause this. Loose steering head bearings won't help. Has your bike had the front-wheel replacement recall done?
Headshake over bumpy pavement while accelerating can be improved about 90% by softening front preload. Get it so that front sag (with you aboard) is in the 35 mm range for street riding. This will probably require backing the front preload adjuster almost all the way out (more or less depending on your weight).
A steering damper is highly recommended, but it's not a substitute for having the suspension settings right, and it's not a substitute for fixing something else that's wrong with the bike.
NATOR 12-05-2004, 06:19 PM give me your bike and your feel better about yourself
LOL!!
El Diablo 12-05-2004, 06:52 PM I know this is probably old news but, is anyone else having issues with head shake? is it my tire (stock) ?? If I go over 110-120 I end up having to let out of it.
Also, going less than 30 miles an hours if I let go of the handlebars it shakes as well....wierd. I have about 5000 miles on the stock tire. Could it be this or something else??
I started havin' the same exact symptoms (head shake problems on accel and decel and sloppy/floppy turn-in at low speed) at around 850 miles. Tightening the head bearings cured it. Fwiw, I have a Scott's damper and with loose head bearings I still got some pretty nasty head shake as the bearings seated in and got loose. Glad I had the Scotts! I'm bettin' it's out of spec head bearing adjustment. I just adjusted mine and I honestly think it rides better now than it did new. I wonder if mine weren't a bit on the loose side off the showroom floor.
Check/tighten yer head bearings and I bet this problem goes away. I'd still replace the D218's as the others suggested though. I'm equally as unimpressed with them as I was the Bridgestones that came on my busa. I'll never understand why manufacturers would put a mileage tire on a fuggin' super/hyper sport bike. http://zx-10r.net/forum/images/smilies/smilies/dontknow.gif
nolaZX10 12-05-2004, 07:03 PM Steering damper just hides the problem... I would definately check out the rim, balance, and head bearings.
zeta xray 12-05-2004, 07:16 PM Poop can the 218's and get Diablo's or Pilot Powers and your problem will go away..and lastly the notorious steering head bearings may require some maintenance.Get rid of that 218. You'll love yourself more for it.The low-speed hands-off nuisance shake is due to the front tire. Replacing it with some other type/brand of tire will solve this problem.A steering damper is highly recommended, but it's not a substitute for having the suspension settings right, and it's not a substitute for fixing something else that's wrong with the bike.I started havin' the same exact symptoms (head shake problems on accel and decel and sloppy/floppy turn-in at low speed) at around 850 miles. Tightening the head bearings cured it. Fwiw, I have a Scott's damper and with loose head bearings I still got some pretty nasty head shake as the bearings seated in and got loose. Glad I had the Scotts! I'm bettin' it's out of spec head bearing adjustment. I just adjusted mine and I honestly think it rides better now than it did new. I wonder if mine weren't a bit on the loose side off the showroom floor.Gee, all of this has a vaguely familiar ring too it.........
stunnerific_harry 12-05-2004, 07:29 PM my head shakes when i move it from side to side fast
miykl 12-05-2004, 07:35 PM Gee, all of this has a vaguely familiar ring too it.........
...such is the way of the Matrix..
BNninja 12-05-2004, 07:37 PM El Diablo,
What series Bridgestones?
The 636 had the 012/019 combo and those things were amazing, predictable slides, if it ever gave, which was VERY rare, maybe 5-6times in 3800 miles. These Dunlops aren't that bad, they have little feedback and move around a lot but havent let go totally on me. I've had 4 slides on this bike already, and this in under 850 miles, but we are talking 40+ hp machine :o)
El Diablo 12-05-2004, 07:49 PM El Diablo,
What series Bridgestones?
The 636 had the 012/019 combo and those things were amazing, predictable slides, if it ever gave, which was VERY rare, maybe 5-6times in 3800 miles. These Dunlops aren't that bad, they have little feedback and move around a lot but havent let go totally on me. I've had 4 slides on this bike already, and this in under 850 miles, but we are talking 40+ hp machine :o)
Bridgestone Battlax BT56's... Excellent for sweepers and insane straightline speed, but not so great traction wise in the twisty stuff on the big girl. http://zx-10r.net/forum/images/smilies/smilies/icon_wink.gif
GARSZX10R 12-05-2004, 09:21 PM give me your bike and your feel better about yourself
Hahaha...good one!
thanks for all the responses guys, when you say head bearings do you mean the Nut on top of the triple?
Im not sure what you mean by head bearings.........sorry.lol
I will also be replacing the front tire soon.
Big Daddy 12-05-2004, 09:24 PM check this thread........
http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4043
BD
El Diablo 12-06-2004, 06:37 AM More specifically, check PAGE 5 ( <~Link ) (http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4043&page=5&pp=10) of the thread BD linked to for a pic I scanned from the manual and posted. Just thought I'd save ya a little time. http://zx-10r.net/forum/images/smilies/smilies/icon_wink.gif
MAVRIK 12-06-2004, 08:17 AM The low-speed hands-off nuisance shake is due to the front tire. Replacing it with some other type/brand of tire will solve this problem.
Headshake at constant higher speed in a straight line on smooth pavement should not occur, and is an indication that something is wrong. My experience has been that improper wheel balance usually starts making itself felt around 110 - 130 km/h and gets progressively worse from there up. Out-of-round or unevenly worn tires will also cause this. Loose steering head bearings won't help. Has your bike had the front-wheel replacement recall done?
Headshake over bumpy pavement while accelerating can be improved about 90% by softening front preload. Get it so that front sag (with you aboard) is in the 35 mm range for street riding. This will probably require backing the front preload adjuster almost all the way out (more or less depending on your weight).
A steering damper is highly recommended, but it's not a substitute for having the suspension settings right, and it's not a substitute for fixing something else that's wrong with the bike.
you took the words out of my mouth gofaster....with a proper suspensioned bike the need for a damper is not need except those extreme circumstances....if you at speed and there is a nasty wobble start looking at the front end, rim, tire and balancing...
hillcountry10r 12-06-2004, 04:43 PM I was having high speed headshake problems...until I took some rebound out of the forks. If its less than 6 or 7 clicks from full hard, I would try doing that.
I AN NO SUSPENSION GURU NOR DO I PRETEND TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DARK ART OF GETTING YOUR SUSPENSION SET RIGHT. ALL I KNOW IS THAT WAS MY PROBLEM.
I only had 3 clicks of fork rebound. When I took it to 7 the bike changed completly.
But if I had to guess I would say its your steering berings loose.
Big Daddy 12-06-2004, 05:13 PM sure sounds like it.:badteeth:
BD
hillcountry10r 12-06-2004, 06:08 PM sure sounds like it.:badteeth:
BD
:dontknow: sounds like what?
Big Daddy 12-06-2004, 06:14 PM suspension guru :wink:
BD
hillcountry10r 12-06-2004, 07:16 PM suspension guru :wink:
BDIf you only knew...:rolleyes: :thumbsup:
stunnerific_harry 12-06-2004, 07:41 PM how should i set my suspension up guru?
hillcountry10r 12-07-2004, 02:42 PM how should i set my suspension up guru?
Set it up to where it feels real good. The bike works best when it doesn't get headshake every two seconds.
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