: Stepping up from a 600 to a 1000 What do you think??
03-03-2004, 04:03 AM
my 1st bike was a 91 zx6 d2 (pretty sh&^#$%@#ty) but i loved her!
then in 2001 i brought a 01 zx6R ( pretty fU*(&$^ing) fast and good!
now i have top her out and cant get any more power out of her, constantly getting walk down by the 750/1000's so now im ready to step up.
im a tad bit scared of all this HP and control issues i hear with biger bikes (engine wise) i really wish kaw had a 750 comming out!
i know the 636 is probably a step up from what i have but i never really warmed up to the crab face, i just love it since its a Kaw, but i never want to spend cash for it.
now this 10R!!!! im ready to sell my soul to the kaw gods!
anyone else stepping up to the liter bike, for the first time???
what do you think about the new power ahead??
ive only rode 600 and have no clue whats ahead!
but i ride my 600 pretty damm hard and at hi speeds on a regular for the past 2 years, but like i said i have no idea whats ahead.[/b]
03-03-2004, 05:22 AM
I wouldn't worry to much. I have been riding a ZX6R for the last 4 years done a couple of track days with it, and since 2 years I also ride a 1000cc Twin. The 10R makes quite a bit more power and is lighter as well. But I intend to break it in more or less by the book, so I gradually get used to the power. And from then on.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
03-03-2004, 05:56 AM
Oh sheesh.... :roll:
What kinda nanny says
"Oh help me Jesus.. Im going to have all this hp, what do I do??"
Do you wear mini skirts too? :lol:
03-03-2004, 09:13 AM
Your question is a fair one. The fact that you even ask shows that you are likely mature enough to know your limits and respect the bike.
Having said that, I am going to suggest that you pass on the ZX-10R for now. Here's why. If you truly want to become a great rider, you need to work up in very small increments. Learn how to dominate each bike, at each size class (600, 750, etc.), before moving to the next size class. Do as many track days as you can. Hell, enter a club racing series and give it a shot.
If you don't do it this way, you may find the leap to be so large that you never can enjoy the large bike. Moving from older gen 600's to a bike that has 160hp at the rear wheel and a 54.0 inch wheelbase, is a huge leap. The difference is indescribable.
Personally, I had a '91 ZX-7 and contemplated moving up to the CBR900RR when it first came out in '93. But, having ridden a friend's, I ultimately thought I wasn't ready and instead bought the '93 ZX-7 when it was redesigned. In '95, after learning two wheel drifts on my ZX and being able to manhandle the piss out of it, I finally moved up to the CBR900RR. From that point on, it's been 1000's. In retrospect, I made the right decision. The additional time on another 750 (mind you, they only had 100 rear wheel hp back then) really tought me how to ride.
Of course, this is your decision. You may be a fast learner. But just because you ride fast doesn't necesarily mean you ride well. I've known too many people that ride scared on their 1000's and actually end up being slower than they were on their 600's. Don't make this mistake.
If I were you, I'd contemplate the new Gix 750 as I can understand your tired of being on a 600. If you can learn how to ride that bike well, you'll be able to ride anything.
That seems to be sound advise, but now you've got me scared. :lol:
03-03-2004, 10:29 AM
Hey, i"m in the same boat. I sat and thought long and hard, and came to this conclusion: I'm getting it. Why? Because, although have some fears and trepidation, I also have confidence. I did the step thing, kinda. I went from a ninja 250, to a katana 750, to tt600. It was stepping not in displacement, but in ability of the bike. Now, i can't afford financially, to keep doing this. However, I have learned one thing. It's a cliche, but it's true. It's all in your right hand. You have the basics. You know what you can do. Just don't over do it. You'll have something you can grow with. Just build on your past experiences. It's not riding scared, it's riding responsibly. That's my two cents. Others may not like it.
03-03-2004, 02:56 PM
Theres some sound advice within this thread (except one post) that can aid you in your decision making process so just take what you will from them and remember you only know what your capable of or not.
Of the forums i visit everyday there are always the occasional, 'should i get an (insert brand here) liter bike as my first bike?? kinda questions and invariably the responses are mixed even for someone considering purchasing a liter bike as his/her first! so in the end you have opinions, opinions and opinions and............
i think all of the advice is good. here's my two cents. i started with a 125 dirt bike, then a 600 streetbike, and then my current 1000 (which i have ridden for three years now). i did not find the jump from a 600 to a 1000 to be a big leap. my impression is that the 1000 is a bigger bike, steers more heavily/slowly than a 600, and does not require as much throttle as the 600 to move it along. that's it. the extra hp does not transform the bike into some uncontrollable monster. the last time i checked, 65 mph on a 600 is the same as 65 mph on a 1000; likewise, 150 mph on a 600 is the same as 150 mph on a 1000. if you are comfortable on a 600, you'll be comfortable on a 1000. like any new bike, take the time to find your comfort level. most of all, whether you are riding a 600 or 1000, you must respect the bike. a 600 will bite you in the ass just as much as a 1000 if don't ride within your limits and respect the bike.
03-03-2004, 10:39 PM
I think some people are making too much fuss about this. My first track day was about 8 months ago. The first time out I wound up roding a box stock '99 R6. My R1 decided to blow a fork seal on the trip to the track and the result was a pretty squirley bike. Secretly, I wasn't disappointed because I was a little intimidated about riding the R1 on a track anyway. The second track day I rode the R1. I found out it is really true what they say, it will only go as fast as you let it. Now if you jump on any modern litre bike and act stupid you are asking for trouble. Whether you go to track days or just ride on the street, a litre bike is a lot of fun. Just keep your ego in check and learn at your own pace.
This last weekend (5th track day) we had terrible conditions. A track that was a mixture of wet and dry with water seeping up through seams. I respected the conditions and the bike and had a lot of fun. It really boosted my confidence. By the end of the day, my lap times were better than they had ever been under perfect conditions. At the end of the day, the R1 would still spin up from time to time when I found some wet stuff. But it was controllable. I expect the ZX10 will be even better. Those guys that went to Irvine, rode the bikes under terible conditions without any problems and some of them were not "expert" riders. My vote is "Go for it".
03-04-2004, 03:19 AM
To most of you thanks! :lol:
to some (lol) :evil:
most questions i ask is for a general feel of the members here.
Im not going to get into how or what type of riding i do , because i think most would shun me, but for the most part i noticed that around DC most guys (roughly 70%) ride 750, 1000 and larger cc bikes.
when in out racing with them lets say 17-29 bikes like last sunday im in the top 10 or so and im on a near stock 2001 zx6r.
most times i get them in curves [ the tight stuff ] and traffic.
(they kill me in sweepers) :x
im just wonder if they ease back because the throttle is so finiky??
or is it hard to manuver a bike with such a quick throttle???
i can just hold my 600 open and twist at the hip w/ a lil lean around tight stuff and at most they are right there with me, untill we exit then they are off like lightning. Un Fair :oops: :cry:
my bike (10R) is on its way and i have no regrets, but at first report they made it look like the new bikes was pushing 174 at the rear wheels and i thought ; damm im about to add 100Hp compared to what im riding now!
i have to say a few post here made me feel better but damm i wasn't chicken s$%&^@t scared of the 10R!!!.
i really wanted to know who was moving up and get feedback from the folks who are already in the larger cc class and how there transition was and if they wish they would have stayed in the 600 class.
when i went from the old raggedy 91 zx6 d2 to my current 2001 zx6R i was scared also, but after 3 hrs of riding the first night ( and $400 worth of tickets)
i was in love with it and couldnt imagine how i made it all thoughs years on the old 91.
the new power was deffinitly there and a 100lbs lighter, but i was like" its still a 600!"
im hoping the same thing is going to happen now, although im really stepping up in HP (double) vs 35Hp gain from the 1991-2001
since my first post on this topic i read the other post that had the first street report and the main thing i was looking for was how is the inicial take off throttle response (from a dead stop in city conditons)
and MCN reported that it was lovely.
because of your post and the MCN report my confidence level is way up!
still wish they could have put a bored out version of the 636 motor in 750-800cc on the current 10R frame with something like 125-135 RWHP.
that would have been heaven on earth for me, a nice step up.
i really only like spending money on kaws. no other bike has my heart (maybe the R1 but thats just new bike hype, it wears off quick)
whereas i still love my zx6R.
so thank folks for replying :lol:
03-04-2004, 09:12 PM
ive been riding a 02 zx-6r, well,,,, since 02 and have ridden it at the track. I am currently waiting for my zx10r. I still think that the 6r has enough power for me, but i want a bike that will be more comfortable on the freeway. So, all in all i think that the 10 will just need some respect. dont go out there balls to the wall untill you feel as comfortable on it as you did your 600 and i think we both will be just fine.