I apologize for those of you who dont have a facebook, but this is not up on their website yet. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150683787153445&set=a.372025338444.157952.366753658444&type=1&ref=nf Bet a few of you are happy not to have to go to bsb teams to get these.

How Much?

How is this different from the stock link? Serious question, I just don't know. Would this not only help cornering performance, but also straight line? Also, price?

In not an attack person Cant help with the price but give them a call. The stock link is more progressive This one is more linear It might help the bike squat a little less on a straight but likely to help and make u faster.

$375

My next question. What EXACTLY does it do? Sign me up for one either way.

I hope they have bearings in it at that price. The MSS kit goes for 175 Euro. I am buying it for sure... Calling them tomorrow, not on their website yet! Sent from my Motorcycle iPhone app

I hope they have bearings in it at that price. The MSS kit goes for 175 Euro. I am buying it for sure... Calling them tomorrow, not on their website yet! Does the MSS kit have everything included in their kit?

Nope... Does the MSS kit have everything included in their kit?

Nope... ya i just got my attack rear link from mike at riders discount you will have to reuse your stock bearings and seals. I cut the stock dog bone enough to slide the bearings out but you will need a press to reinstall all the old parts.kawasaki dosent have these parts i tried already to buy them?:dontknow: Now ill just have to tune the suppension at whoopies trackday.

You will want at least 2 spring sizes more if possible. I have a 115 and going to a 120. Yes only one step because ttx springs go from 120 then 130. I used the Dan Kyle link on my Ducati and it improved out of corner performance. That being said one of the best suspension techs in the world told me he wouldn't use it and go back to stock.

You will want at least 2 spring sizes more if possible. I have a 115 and going to a 120. Yes only one step because ttx springs go from 120 then 130. I used the Dan Kyle link on my Ducati and it improved out of corner performance. That being said one of the best suspension techs in the world told me he wouldn't use it and go back to stock. so its nesesary to install heavier springs with the new attack link then resett sag what about the spacer do they stay?i now have a 6m installed

ya i just got my attack rear link from mike at riders discount you will have to reuse your stock bearings and seals. I cut the stock dog bone enough to slide the bearings out but you will need a press to reinstall all the old parts.kawasaki dosent have these parts i tried already to buy them?:dontknow: Now ill just have to tune the suppension at whoopies trackday. Hope it works well for you.... You should be able to go real fast now! :heyyou: Let us all know how well it works

I'm not sure how the attack link varies from the mss link but I just installed my mss link (3.5) and I had to go down in springs for my ttx. I was running 11.5kg with stock link and I had 32mm sag with no added preload. Then with the new link I put a 10.5kg spring in and it has 26mm sag with no added preload.

do you have spacers installed i have 6m in now but havent tried it with the new link.

I have one 3mm space installed with the ohlins shock set at the stock length on the new link (MSS type 3.5).

1st race weekend on the MSS link this weekend. 3 podiums for 3 races. It is a must have for sure. I still think i need a heavier spring though. :hello:

Glad to see you guys representing with the 10. Before the 4th gen you didnt see many zx10's doing good a club races.

What is the difference form the MSS link and the attack link? Big price difference?

What is the difference form the MSS link and the attack link? Big price difference?I dont really know only seen pictures of the mss link.I bought the attack link mostly because there bikes are pretty much set up like ours as the swing arm and shock goes and the money goes to a team in the usa.The attack link dose look a little diffrent but just by pictures of the other link.Maybe inst tech can ride mine he has the mss link then will know the diffrence.I need help with my suspension anyway.He"s pretty fast....

I'm in the process of ordering the type 4 MSS Linkage. These below comment in quotation marks are directly from Andy Storey from the MSS Team to my email... "The type 3.5 link is better suited to a rider who is late on the brakes into the corner and hard on the gas on the exit. The type 4 is better suited to someone who carries more corner speed and is less aggressive on the gas on the exit. I have sold loads of type 4 links to guys in the States and the feed back has been great." Andy also mentioned I should not have to change spring rate for my shock. I'm 195lbs with gear (sometimes fluctuate up 5lbs), and will be running the Penske 8987 with the 190 to 220lbs spring rate.

....omg, not trying to be mean but that Andy guy didn't know Sh!t when I was talking to him. Was soooo annoying. He had no idea about either links, I got all my info off Vonstallin on this forum. I kept asking him what was the difference between the links and he couldn't explain it, he just told me there was a type 3, type 4 then a type 3.5 which was the newest one. From memory I think Vonstallin told me that the type 3.5 was for more slower tracks which require more turns and type 4 was for more faster longer tracks. (so kind of what Andy is saying). I was using a 11.5kg spring in my ohlins ttx. Went down to a 10.5kg with the type 3.5 link. (I'm 78-83kgs)

....omg, not trying to be mean but that Andy guy didn't know Sh!t when I was talking to him. Was soooo annoying. He had no idea about either links, I got all my info off Vonstallin on this forum. I kept asking him what was the difference between the links and he couldn't explain it, he just told me there was a type 3, type 4 then a type 3.5 which was the newest one. From memory I think Vonstallin told me that the type 3.5 was for more slower tracks which require more turns and type 4 was for more faster longer tracks. (so kind of what Andy is saying). I was using a 11.5kg spring in my ohlins ttx. Went down to a 10.5kg with the type 3.5 link. (I'm 78-83kgs) Interesting......I may just go ahead with the Attack Linkage since "Attack" is just up the highway from San Diego. Anyone here have experience with the Attack linkage?

Just marked for future reference. Carry on.

Just marked for future reference. Carry on. I got the attack link from riders discount, totally fixed the running wide part. I did remove the spacers for now. Turn in feels different, not very good so it needs more tuning. I need to play with ride height now, something less than 6mm? On rear ohlins shock any info would be appreciated. Forks are at about 200 thousandths above clamps at gold seam not the very top(ohlins full forks). Track got wet so it was end of the day and that's where the tuning stoped. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/cleotx2002/IMG_0368.jpg

set it at 4 threads showing, then come to MSR and ride with us! http://s8.postimage.org/5bjgaxegl/38757972_S8197019.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

set it at 4 threads showing, then come to MSR and ride with us! http://s8.postimage.org/5bjgaxegl/38757972_S8197019.jpg (http://postimage.org/) Sounds good to me just let me know when you and whoppie are going.

Just a heads up to everyone, the MSS 3.5 and the Attack link are the exact same thing, down to the MM. I have them side by side right now and the measurements are identical, dogbones included.

same as the attack link?

Just a heads up to everyone, the MSS 3.5 and the Attack link are the exact same thing, down to the MM. I have them side by side right now and the measurements are identical, dogbones included. Good info right here. Could you post a side by side picture of them? In your opinion, which one is nicer? (better quality?)

same as the attack link? Yes - only differences are the Attack link has the threads machined on one side and the MSS link uses thicker side plates. But where the holes line up on the side plates and dog bones are identical.

http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af261/srsmphotobucket/MssVAttack.jpg MSS linkplate on bottom, MSS dogbone on top. Same thing. I think the MSS one is a bit more robust with the thicker side-plates.

If they are about the same. Which ones is cheaper? Can I do this install at home? Thanks in advance.

You can do the install at home but you'll need to get new bearings and bushes put in or removed from your old shock/link. I bought them new from MSS with my link, cost me 256.50pounds for everything posted. 175.00 for link 11.12 for 4 oil seals 12.44 for 2 sleaves 17.94 for 2 needle bearings 40.00 for postage.

Would these links have the same measurements as this? Those plates are very expensive. Someone with access to a machine shop could easily make a similiar plate :smile: Sorry about the size of that. I do not know how to make it smaller.

MSS quoted me 220 pounds, so their prices are apparently going up as compared to a previous post mentioning 200 back in April. Honesty, communication and trying to purchase from MSS was somewhat frustrating. Too many emails back and forth, time zone difference, etc. just to purchase the link. My last conversation via email was last week, they had one Type 4 linkage left and 3.5's on order from mfg. I don't have a problem paying a little more to avoid the issues so I'm trying the Attack Kawasaki link first as they're right up the road from me here in SoCal. Ordered the link through Mike at Riders Discount. I'm sure MSS makes a great product...and I might try them later when I'm not pressed for time.

Duse copying their measurements and make your own link aint cool. The price also reflects the r and d expenses.

If anybody needs the MSS 3.5 kit, PM me. Have a set with bearings installed and longer bolts ready to go.

No, its cool. If I had access to a machine shop Id copy it. Just like Attack did to the MSS plates. NOTE - I have no idea if Attack copied the MSS plates, or if MSS copied the Attack. :-)

Suburbanrancher I was wondering if you still have them for the zx10r and what you want for them ? Or if you can get some good pictures of the links and the dog-bone with a few measurements as I have a cnc mill and could get into making them if you can help me out with the info I need to get to work on them. I am in the process of building custom rear-set , heal guards and a few other things for my track bike. Thanks Hurricane

So for the track guys is this a worthwhile mod? Does it make the bike noticeable better in the turns? I've got 6mm shim and resprung and valves rear shock atm. Or do I just pump money into ohlins?

So for the track guys is this a worthwhile mod? Does it make the bike noticeable better in the turns? I've got 6mm shim and resprung and valves rear shock atm. Or do I just pump money into ohlins? PM'd you...

Hey guys, I'm running stock suspension and I've been running A-group at some track days. I'm planning to get the rear shock revalved, resprung, shimmed, but I was hoping I could describe what I'm feeling and get confirmation that changing the rear will help. Do I need to plan on getting the new link too? I'm running Pirelli Superbike PRO slicks set to the tire guy recommended pressure for the day. Mid corner I feel the rear kind of wallowing a bit. It's like if I sit in my chair and move my hips in a circle. I'd like to add in more throttle at corner exit too, but I push wide if I do, or I have to decrease throttle to maintain my line. Turn-in feels good both trail-braking and not and I don't feel the front pushing at all. Thanks for the time :occasion1

If anybody needs the MSS 3.5 kit, PM me. Have a set with bearings installed and longer bolts ready to go. hi have you still got the 3.5 link if so how much

Whats the MSS website so I can order it? thanks

Whats the MSS website so I can order it? thanks Google? https://www.google.com/search?q=mss+colchester+kawasaki&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS490 email andy@msscolchester.com , getting to him this time of year will be easier than during race season

Anyone here tried the Dan Kyle rear link?

I have a set. Not installed yet. Fireman69(on this forum) is down south testing right now & seems happy with them. DKs Link & Dogbone come with bearings & dust cap.

I hope we can have a direct comparison from MSS link and attack performance link :occasion1

I am running the Dan Kyle link right now. I just put 2 days on it. First day at spring mountain, and yesterday at Laguna. I will give a good update in the next day or so. However in a nutshell, I will say that the bike holds a line much better to this point. I am going to dans shop today. We will make some changes. Ill let you guys know from there

Thank you fireman69 :thumbsup: I will be waiting for your feedback/review on that link :)

So I stopped in at Dan Kyles shop today. I had to this point ran the shock with the same settings that I had raced with last season even with the new link. This was my starting point. It worked well. The bike did not seem to squat as badly and I am finding better tire wear and grip. However I was told before I purchased the link that I would need to go down 1 spring rate and get the shock revalved in order to completely take advantage of the link. Dan showed me the rising rate of the stock link and explained in depth what was happening with this shock and link combo. I have the new valving and spring installed and I am pretty confident that this will be a huge rear end grip improvement. I will get a better baseline setup on friday and be racing on it this weekend. I will report back to everyone what I get out of it ater that, however I can already say that it is worth the investment at this point.

Thank you fireman69 for sharing this information! :) goodluck wish you win the races this weekend. :)

What spring rate were you and what are u now? I weigh around 70kg I put a 10.7kg racetec spring in but I'm still bottoming out the shock. I'm wondering if this link will help, I don't really want to go any harder in the rear spring wise. My shock has already been revalved etc.

I'm using the ohlins shock with the link. I was on a 110 spring and have gone to a 105 spring. I weigh 175# out of the shower.

OK, so here is what I have found out about the Dan Kyle link and revalve/ respring. It is a very nice addition. The bike is still plush enough to absorb the bigger bumps at willow springs on the fast track, yet the back of the bike feels controlled. I found before I ran this link that no matter how high my pegs were on the 4th gen, I would still touch toe and peg occasionally. This problem has been fixed. I would say that the bikes exits were sharper and I had better grip upon exit as well. The difference between the stock ohlins shock and the 110 spring, vs the 105 spring with the DK valving was night and day. In Laguna the back of the bike felt a little wooden. It had the feel of high frequency chatter. The valving and spring has cured that. The bike was planted in willow springs with the exception of one race where I did not warm up the left side of the tire hard enough during the warm up lap. Other than that I had tremendous grip and the bike was able to steer flawlessly. Our next race here in Canada is in april. I will get a chance then to test out the suspension on a familiar track. However in a nutshell. I would say that this has been a very worthwhile investment into this bike. Here is a video from the weekend Willow springs MWGP races - YouTube

^^ Good write-up. Nice wheelie at the end of the Vid. I new this thread could cost me more money(again) I just re-read this thread. So everyone that has installed the links on are happy with the results. One rider went with a heavier spring. Not sure why, & if he's change back? Whats the re-valving about. Why is that needed with DKs link & dogbone?

^^ Good write-up. Nice wheelie at the end of the Vid. I new this thread could cost me more money(again) I just re-read this thread. So everyone that has installed the links on are happy with the results. One rider went with a heavier spring. Not sure why, & if he's change back? Whats the re-valving about. Why is that needed with DKs link & dogbone? Dan said that the way that the shock works is changed. Meaning that the leverage on the shock works differently and thus the valving needs to be changed accordingly. It made sense when I spoke with him, and more sense when I rode the damn bike. Dan knows what he is doing. And thus I put alot of trust in his advice.

Just got mine installed today. Lee's Cycle of San Diego has now designed/manufactured Gen4 ZX10 rear shock linkages. The reason I bought mine from these guys, is because J. Toye is probably the most "active" test pilot/racer of the ZX10 and has tested every suspension on this bike known to mankind (for the past year). Top is Lee's, bottom is Stock. My rear eibach spring was also knocked down to 675 from a 750, on the penske 8987 triple clicker. Can't wait to get it back out on the track.

Just got mine installed today. Lee's Cycle of San Diego has now designed/manufactured Gen4 ZX10 rear shock linkages. The reason I bought mine from these guys, is because J. Toye is probably the most "active" test pilot/racer of the ZX10 and has tested every suspension on this bike known to mankind (for the past year). Top is Lee's, bottom is Stock. My rear eibach spring was also knocked down to 675 from a 750, on the penske 8987 triple clicker. Can't wait to get it back out on the track. Whats ur weight? Thanks!

Just got mine installed today. Lee's Cycle of San Diego has now designed/manufactured Gen4 ZX10 rear shock linkages. The reason I bought mine from these guys, is because J. Toye is probably the most "active" test pilot/racer of the ZX10 and has tested every suspension on this bike known to mankind (for the past year). Top is Lee's, bottom is Stock. My rear eibach spring was also knocked down to 675 from a 750, on the penske 8987 triple clicker. Can't wait to get it back out on the track. Does it come with the seals, bearings?