I think this picture says it all. :lol: 9.20s in the 1/4 so far. http://www.zx-12r.org/PhotoPost/data/500/91IM002889.JPG

WHUA?? How did you conjure up that picture? And stat?

A 9.2? Are you sure, and who (or what) told you this?...haha

Its not Photoshop. And excuse me.. 9.23 was the ET 8) WHUA?? How did you conjure up that picture? And stat?

Hey turboblew where di you get this is the big question?

I think this picture says it all. :lol: 9.20s in the 1/4 so far. http://www.zx-12r.org/PhotoPost/data/500/91IM002889.JPG There are a few out there. But if you look at the rest of the pictures on the site you got that from, you see the Kawasaki race team working on it etc. It's just out there to get the hype up. My local dealer is still telling me febuarary. By the way, www.cycleworld.com said they will have one to test in early decemember. That doesnt mean the general population will.

9.20s with the stock pipe... DAMN! http://www.psychobike.com/iB_html/uploads/post-4-99445-IM002885.JPG

Its not Photoshop. And excuse me.. 9.23 was the ET 8) WHUA?? How did you conjure up that picture? And stat? Didn't mean to imply photoshop, just wunderin' from whinst it came.

Somebody was snapping pics in the staging lanes at Rockingham Dragway.. aka The Rock.

the question is: who won the race :?: what did the Busa run :?: nice pics :D :D

Actually someone who witnessed the 10 run... said it went 9.06 :shock: Stock pipe, no motor tuning. Only mods were -6" over arm Putting the bike at 61" of wheelbase -M/T shootout tire -Larger rear aluminum sprocket

Actually someone who witnessed the 10 run... said it went 9.06 :shock: Stock pipe, no motor tuning. Only mods were -6" over arm Putting the bike at 61" of wheelbase -M/T shootout tire -Larger rear aluminum sprocket OK, TurboBlew... You posted the pictures, you come up with the tidbits of information but you basically say you were not a witness, right? So where is this coming from? Who is the source????

Actually someone who witnessed the 10 run... said it went 9.06 :shock: Stock pipe, no motor tuning. Only mods were -6" over arm Putting the bike at 61" of wheelbase -M/T shootout tire -Larger rear aluminum sprocket OK, TurboBlew... You posted the pictures, you come up with the tidbits of information but you basically say you were not a witness, right? So where is this coming from? Who is the source???? lol. You are starting to sound like me. Cause I was just about to ask for a source. Haha

On another forum, someone who should be a reliable source (works for KMC) said 9:08 @ 145 mph, timed and geared. :D

Where are you all getting these numbers from...I wanna see sources!!!

Dont worry... that bike pictured is a preproduction. The real one will be even better. :wink: 8.90s on that motor is entirely possible for mortal men.

Turboblew, are you blind?...Everyone wants to see a source, not just more numbers, that we can't be sure of.

Dont worry... that bike pictured is a preproduction. The real one will be even better. :wink: 8.90s on that motor is entirely possible for mortal men. This might be the worst sight in terms of backing up claims. I swear to god. :lol: Why not post a source? And 8.90s on a stock bike? That would mean the new Kawasaki would have half the mid-range it should, and NO top end at all. It wouldn't benifit Kawasaki to gear there bikes that way, because they arent being designed for drag racing.

CDRacing.....you can goto zx10r.org and read about who the sources are.

And 8.90s on a stock bike? That would mean the new Kawasaki would have half the mid-range it should, and NO top end at all. It wouldn't benifit Kawasaki to gear there bikes that way, because they arent being designed for drag racing. That dosen't mean kawasaki gears their bikes that way or that the engine would only have bottom end grunt, turboblew said the motor could do that time, not the trans or swingarm. Theres no way it could do a 8.9 stock with no mods to anything.[/quote]

CDRacing.....you can goto zx10r.org and read about who the sources are. Or you could just post a link for me to click on. Im lazy.

And 8.90s on a stock bike? That would mean the new Kawasaki would have half the mid-range it should, and NO top end at all. It wouldn't benifit Kawasaki to gear there bikes that way, because they arent being designed for drag racing. That dosen't mean kawasaki gears their bikes that way or that the engine would only have bottom end grunt, turboblew said the motor could do that time, not the trans or swingarm. Theres no way it could do a 8.9 stock with no mods to anything.[/quote] Check this out: http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/testdata.html That has two of the fastest stock quater mile running bikes on the planet. Based on the ALL of the major magizine comparsions all posted on this site. For example cycleworld: Quarter Mile -------------------------------------------- Suzuki GSX1300R 9.86 sec @ 145.80 mph [Performed by CycleWorld magazine rider] Kawasaki ZX-12R 10.06 sec @ 142 mph [Performed by Ricky Gadson - Top Kawasaki Pro Drag racer] So you’re telling me the stock production 10R not only beat the crap out of the GSXR, but did it by almost a complete second? If you think the bike did this, and that this bike will be the one you own striaght from the dealer, you buy the bike you probably wear a helmet on your bike as well as off it. :lol: If it really ran that fast, than it was geared different than stock. I promise you this... I know it's hard to understand.. but please try.

Do you or did you own a Hayabusa? Chip Ellis is a REAL rider and the ZX10 he was riding was setup for dragracing with extended wheelbase, possilby some gearing, and the bike lowered... and all this at a NATIONAL track. CDR...what are you talking about??? How does dragracing and midrange even get mentioned in the same sentence? Maybe this info means crap to you.... but I can assure you it speaks volumes to me. The ZX10 will accelerate as hard as my ZX12 with over 100lbs less weight. THat means a shit load to me. Ill work out the other issues when I get the bike home. And FWIW.. my bone stock 2002 ZX12R B1 model went 10.14 @ 141 with 3/10s of a mile on the odo about 7hrs after I bought it brand new last year. Im no Rickey Gadson either...even weigh more than him.

I guess that site you quoted overlooked Motorcyclist magazine. According to Motorcyclist latest issue, their 1/4 mile time for a '03 Z-12R is 9.92 @ 143.74 mph. I would presume that is with their own test rider. They list the '03 Hayabusa time as 9.88 @ 143.88 (probably the same rider). FYI according to the Motorcyclist magazine dyno results, the "bus" achieved that .04 second faster 1/4 mile time with less horsepower than the ZX12, but more torque. :roll: IMHO, a pure stock '04 ZX-10R may be able to challenge the "Busa" and ZX12 best times, or even beat them. BUT stock for stock, it cannot beat those times by almost a second. And I don't think anybody is saying that. Chip Ellis (the rider of the now notorious ZX10) has said he thought the ZX10 could go 8.90 but certainly not in "box stock" form, meaning the way it comes off of the showroom floor. He was in the low 9's (9.08 @ 148) with a stock engine, but he had at least 6"+ inch swing arm, DOT drag tire and I also understand the "S" pipe (mid-exhaust pipe ?) had been bypassed / removed. He complained about a very tall first gear and thought there was more left on the table. :lol: Hence the 8.90 prediction. No doubt the ZX10 makes big horsepower. But in the real world, the ZX10's big advantage for the average road / canyon / track day rider is that it is very light. However, that light weight probably makes it a little harder to launch really hard at the drag strip in a pure box stock form. :)

I guess that site you quoted overlooked Motorcyclist magazine. According to Motorcyclist latest issue, their 1/4 mile time for a '03 Z-12R is 9.92 @ 143.74 mph. I would presume that is with their own test rider. They list the '03 Hayabusa time as 9.88 @ 143.88 (probably the same rider). FYI according to the Motorcyclist magazine dyno results, the "bus" achieved that .04 second faster 1/4 mile time with less horsepower than the ZX12, but more torque. :roll: IMHO, a pure stock '04 ZX-10R may be able to challenge the "Busa" and ZX12 best times, or even beat them. BUT stock for stock, it cannot beat those times by almost a second. And I don't think anybody is saying that. Chip Ellis (the rider of the now notorious ZX10) has said he thought the ZX10 could go 8.90 but certainly not in "box stock" form, meaning the way it comes off of the showroom floor. He was in the low 9's (9.08 @ 148) with a stock engine, but he had at least 6"+ inch swing arm, DOT drag tire and I also understand the "S" pipe (mid-exhaust pipe ?) had been bypassed / removed. He complained about a very tall first gear and thought there was more left on the table. :lol: Hence the 8.90 prediction. No doubt the ZX10 makes big horsepower. But in the real world, the ZX10's big advantage for the average road / canyon / track day rider is that it is very light. However, that light weight probably makes it a little harder to launch really hard at the drag strip in a pure box stock form. :) I will give no argument that if the bike was modified it could run a tume slightly less than a stock busa. However, people keep saying it as if we are talking about out of the box, stock power here. Which if it is running stock, it is not going to be that fast. So I agree with you totally Zeta. I’m not saying It couldn’t beat a busa… It would be hard, and with mod’s it could… if not come real close.. But by more than second? I highly doubt it. A guess or prediction that it would run like that is kind of like when two 13 year boys argue over who is stronger superman or batman? It’s fanboy zealous. Nothing wrong with it, I am a fanboy of Kawasaki. But I’m trying to keep it real.

Let's see the timng slip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off... who even keeps a bike stock?? Posers? Christ.. the first think to go would be the toolkit, blinkers and any other DOT garbage Kawi is required to decorate the 10 with. Think about the kinda power that bike has WITH a stock motor and modifications anyone can do inside of a few hours. If the 10 has 155rwhp bone stock.. thats on par with the ZX12...sans 100+lbs. You figure to get another 10th in the 1/4.... you'd need about 5 extra hp. 5hp is damn good for removing a muffler. Imagine what a well tuned header would do!

Although no one has posted photo copies of time slips, I truly believe that Chip Ellis did run very low 9's with a STOCK MOTOR ZX-10R. One of the reasons I believe it was a comment on a Hayabusa site from someone who was there and is a Busa fan. The stock pre-production ZX-10R motor makes really big HP. Since all of us mortals can't sit on one yet, this could all be considered a "sterile exercise" but the 10 appears to make similar HP to the Busa and ZX12. It is lighter. All other things being equal (more on this later) someone will manage to get a good launch from a 10 and it will spank the stock Busa and the stock ZX12 in the 1/4 mile. Now before someone says "well, I will just change the gearing on my busa or zx12" or "I will take this off and this and this" or "I will stick a longer swing arm on mine" there is no reason the ZX10 rider can't do the same thing. Right? Bottom line. Stock vs. stock vs. stock. Similar HP + lot less weight = faster 1/4 mile times. Top speed is a completely different catagory where other factors come into effect.

well to me in orange it is a bit of a drag queen :wink: :wink: :wink: ...and it will handle crap with that extended rear 8) but it seems doing 9whatever is important to a lot of people :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Although no one has posted photo copies of time slips, I truly believe that Chip Ellis did run very low 9's with a STOCK MOTOR ZX-10R. One of the reasons I believe it was a comment on a Hayabusa site from someone who was there and is a Busa fan. The stock pre-production ZX-10R motor makes really big HP. Since all of us mortals can't sit on one yet, this could all be considered a "sterile exercise" but the 10 appears to make similar HP to the Busa and ZX12. It is lighter. All other things being equal (more on this later) someone will manage to get a good launch from a 10 and it will spank the stock Busa and the stock ZX12 in the 1/4 mile. Now before someone says "well, I will just change the gearing on my busa or zx12" or "I will take this off and this and this" or "I will stick a longer swing arm on mine" there is no reason the ZX10 rider can't do the same thing. Right? Bottom line. Stock vs. stock vs. stock. Similar HP + lot less weight = faster 1/4 mile times. Top speed is a completely different catagory where other factors come into effect. I agree he probably ran low 9's with a stock motor. But as far as stock goes with the power train, I dont think the rest is stock. And Im not just talking about the obvously change, the rear swing arm, but transmission work, as well as different gearing.

http://www.dragbike.com/news/11-03/112503c.htm

http://www.dragbike.com/news/11-03/112503c.htm 9.08 very impressive... except the whole burning clutch aspect.. But bad ass still.